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Council Votes 'Yes' on 'Whole Foods Project'

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In a six-hour meeting filled with cheers and jeers, the Albany City Council approved  needed to move forward a University of California plan for development of a grocery store and senior housing facility at University Village.

Project plans have been underway for five years, and include a Whole Foods store up to 55,000 square feet just north of Monroe Street, as well as a 175-unit senior housing complex just south of Monroe.

The council approved in the Village, which the university said were necessary for completion of the project, as well as changes to municipal open space and parking requirements, the project's and a development agreement. (.)

Officials estimated that 150-200 people attended the meeting; some of them had to watch a monitor from outside the room because the hall where the meeting was held was filled to capacity. (There were 120 seats set up in the room for meeting attendees, and many people also stood and lined the walls of the room throughout the night.)

said after the meeting that it was the latest-running one she could recall during her 11 years working for the city.

Approximately 40 activists and supporters for urban farming, many of whom said they want an agro-ecology center created on the Gill Tract agricultural research fields, as well as the preservation of agricultural land,  various aspects of the project. 

Though many said they lived in Berkeley or the greater East Bay, quite a few of the speakers against the project, including at least two Albany business owners, said they lived in Albany or had close ties to it. 

About 16 people spoke in favor of the development, including many members of Albany Little League, which has several playing fields in the Village. The project development agreement, which was approved Monday night, assures the league that its current fields will remain in place for at least 10 years, and that the university will pay to move them if the need arises.

Unlike many Albany meetings, which are marked for the most part by moderate public comments and a largely orderly tone, Monday night's meeting was punctuated by frequent outbursts despite repeated attempts by the mayor to reign in public emotion.

"We extraordinaly bent our usual public speaking policies," he said, in allowing audience members to "cede time" to fellow commenters, which is not a common practice for Albany. "We allowed you to get away with all kinds of clapping and booing, which is not allowed." 

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Many of the speakers against the project were affiliated with Occupy the Farm, a group that took over the university's Gill Tract in April to plant an urban farm and advocate for a permanent center on the UC research fields for community farming efforts. 

Critics of the university's plan said the project's environmental review document failed to address issues such as pollution and traffic impacts adequately. Numerous speakers said, as a result, council approval of the document could leave the city open to litigation. 

David Clore of LSA Associates, the firm that prepared the environmental impact report, told the council that "what we heard simply, in many cases, was not accurate," and assured council members that the 2,500-page document fairly described all the impacts.

Many speakers talked about their inherent distrust for the university, and railed against what they described as an increasing privatization and corporatization of the institution.

Supporters of the project said it would ; revitalize a depressed portion of San Pablo Avenue; bring much-needed revenue and jobs to the city; create nearby housing for seniors; and improve access to creeks and cycling paths. 

Just after 1 a.m., as the council worked its way through the seven separate approvals on the agenda, attempted to convince the other four council members to approve an easement to protect the Gill Tract research fields as open space. 

His motion received a yes-vote from , and no-votes from and . abstained from the vote, which resulted in its failure.

Atkinson was the lone no-vote in approving the project's Environmental Impact report, saying she wanted to acknowledge community concerns voiced about the document.

Lieber was the sole no-vote on the development agreement between the university and the city, as well as the density bonus requested by the university to lower parking requirements.

Overall, however, he said he supported the development. 

"This is good for Albany. It does create a community space that fronts San Pablo. It does create an income that this city sorely needs," he said. "We have scraped and cut and found really great ways to make up our budgets. But we need this. That's the way I feel."

Council members expressed interest in preserving open space on the Gill Tract fields and working with the university to investigate the possibility of creating an agro-ecology center there.

Several of the items approved Monday will return to the council for a "second reading" on July 16, but may not be open for additional public comment unless the council decides to re-open the public hearing.

The city also will revise one of the to provide that the project will , said Albany's Community Development director, Jeff Bond.

Do you agree with the council decision? Take our poll below. See live tweets from the meeting in the PDF attached to this story.

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If there's something in this article you think , or if something else is amiss, call editor Emilie Raguso at 510-459-8325 or email at albany@patch.com.

Ross Stapleton-Gray July 11, 2012 at 07:38 pm
"The bulb is landfill, its a garbage dump. Its not the last remaining piece of high quality agricultural land in the area"
There's a certain "class 1 soil festishism" that keeps coming up. I'm actually kind of fond of the idea that hundreds of thousands of tons of former highway debris, dirt and rock was moved to create new (and clearly habitable, whether or not that's good policy) space; the Bulb isn't, so far as I know, radioactive, or laced with PCBs, though there's rusty old rebar that in a few hundred years will be nothing but rust. The farmed portion of the Gill Tract, on the other hand, actually owes its existence to many decades of the hand of Man, i.e., why it isn't a thicket of live oaks, blackberries and salsify is that it's been ploughed, composted, dug and supplemented by humans, though it's also a veneer: more than a few feet down, it's unchanged from what it was hundreds of years ago, but ditto most land in the area (goodness knows a few feet below my house there's been water flowing down from the hills for centuries, and that's unlikely to change).
Ross Stapleton-Gray July 11, 2012 at 07:39 pm
(And the Gill Tract farm is far from well located, if you actually do want to grow a range of crops... more sun would improve matters, like the land you find where more of California's farming actually happens...)
Dover July 11, 2012 at 07:49 pm
"Dover, since you clearly know how to do a google search and have outed me, let me say that my comment on Tilden being smack dab in the middle of an urban area was a professional real estate view, not a layperson Albany resident. You only think its on the fringe because it happens to be a large undeveloped area, and you are not thinking of supply and demand for land in the bay area as a whole, which is precisely my point. Someone had vision to preserve it, so much so that you now take it for granted."
Outed you? Please. Everyone connected with the school knows what you do for a living. If you wanted it kept secret, you should have informed your husband to keep his lips zipped. Odd that your professional real estate view doesn't take into account the nature of the vast open spaces on the other side of Tilden when even a common, everyday, Albany-ian lay person such as myself can figure this one out. And please, do not presume to tell me what I may or may not take for granted. You have absolutely NO idea.
David July 11, 2012 at 08:00 pm
I can imagine UC police in riot gear removing children and parents from OTF (Occupy The Fields,) if they ever tried to eliminate the Liittle League which has been there for so many decades. The threat of doing so was not very nice. But, it was an effective negotiating tactic.
Tatter Salad July 11, 2012 at 08:12 pm
Marie:
As has been clear between the lines here, this is first and foremost a 'pitch' to Albany to obtain building permits. Part of it is retail sales (which Albany needs BADLY), which includes the 'smoke and mirrors' of a 'Whole Foods' store. Some of the project is way-station/ hospital recovery hospice for the infirm, with the 'smoke an mirrors' of calling it a 'senior housing' center. (All please raise their hands if you can bicycle, and can afford and desire to pay $2500.-/ month for their cheapest shared room). Dover: regarding your statement: "Also, you might wish to familiarize yourself with The Village in general. It is student housing, not low-income housing. " Actually, the mean income at the village is below the poverty level, just as it is at Stanford graduate housing, and U.C. Santa Cruz Graduate housing. 'Donated food for families' trucks and Food Stamps are standard stuff a ALL these places. Sorry, but you should familiarize yourself with Grad student incomes.'
Steven Steve July 11, 2012 at 08:18 pm
Dover - "That's how America works. God Bless Her!" - Pitiful low standard that you have accepted and are passing on to your children patronage of grocery stores is guided by proximity. While "Forced patronage?" will no be tolerated, the lack of choice for those in the area is apparent, especially if they lack transportation and/or elderly and/or are unable to haul their load for whatever reason, etc.
Also, while I can understand you get upset and are an emotional being (as we all are), but condescending comments "you might wish to familiarize yourself" and adversarial exchanges "you should have informed your husband to keep his lips zipped" are unnecessary. imho
Dover July 11, 2012 at 08:35 pm
"Pitiful low standard that you have accepted and are passing on to your children patronage of grocery stores is guided by proximity."
LOL! Too funny. Read it again, please. My point was that their patronage is neither obligatory nor based on proximity. You seem to have it a bit backwards. And, as you may have noticed, The Village is not exactly located next to the UC campus, so anyone who has trouble making it to the store is probably not going to want to live so far away from the very school that enables them to rent a home in The Village in the first place. If Margaret needs any help responding to my comments, I am sure she will let you know. ;-}
David July 11, 2012 at 08:47 pm
FYI: 1. Belmont Village Senior Living will offer studios & 1 bedroom apts including 3 meals a day & many ammenities for residents like classes, etc. Independent living will start at ~ $4,500 a month. Prices go up depending on the assistance level a person requires. I do not know what the top end costs.
Belmont is not a nursing home. They do not have medical staff for serious situations, but they do have a nurse 24/7. I don't know if or how nurse services are charged. Albany residents will have priority for 17.5 units. They will need to have the finances to qualify. Belmont does help folks get through the process of selling their home or getting a reverse mortgage. www.belmontvillage.com is their site. For exact prices, contact them. The place will be lovely. I wonder if 17 Albany residents will be able to afford it. It would be nice to see some sort of subsidy for Albany seniors included in the development agreement. UC will be earning millions a year in rent if they don't just sell the entire chunk of land. 2. The land is on a open field. It's behind the fence on San Pablo with all the graffitti that UC doesn't clean, also known as the gateway to Albany. 3. Re: City seeking input. I think they fulfilled the minimum requirements for notice. Lots of folks still don't realize the enormity of the project. When informed of details, many change opinion about the project. I was surprised that a poster wasn't placed on the actual site, but it evidently is not required.
Emilie Raguso July 11, 2012 at 09:15 pm
We should know more about adjustments for cyclists when this comes back to council, and I'm sure Albany Strollers & Rollers will do a great job following up. We'll try to provide an update in the future.
Margaret McKnight July 11, 2012 at 09:23 pm
My apologies, the conversation does seem to take these other preserved areas as givens, seeming to discard them as 'existing wilderness' and my goal has been to point out that they weren't given at all. People with vision and voice made them happen.
To use a cliche, real estate really is all about location location location. Not sure I get your point about the back of the hill. If it were developable, developers would view it as valuable infill property in a highly supply constrained market (meaning the bay area) and a desirable submarket with strong demand characteristics (on various demographic measures, including average income). The western side, which is closer to more jobs and amenities, would be higher value, as would the lower/outer parts. Likewise the reality of grocery stores and most other similar 'convenience' retail is that customer proximity and sales are very highly correlated. Retailers draw rings of various distances and shapes to define their trade areas and expect and get much greater sales in the inner rings. I'm not making a value judgement, I'm just describing how it tends to happen. The average customer just doesn't like to drive that far for milk, and time is money so folks do pay up for a closer gallon. Lovely to hear you've been chatting with my hubby, never dreamed I'd come up in conversation. No secrets here, just a lightness of phrase as I note that you are the one who chose to put my occupation in the Patch.
Steven Steve July 11, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Dover - You systemically ignore points of view other than you own. Whether it be here in the case of are-you-perfectly consistent in a Utopian manner - if not then you choose to ignore them. Others have payed you the courtesy of responding thoughtfully to you comment, yet you give no such quarter. After reviewing the snipes that you take at individuals who offer up a differing point of view, and the dual sides you take on a variety of topics in your comments section it is becoming frightfully evident that your just a 'believer' in Dover as a blind faith. BTW, it was you that call out Margret's husband and I also said your comment to Marie were inappropriate. Though facts really are not important to a believer, are they Dover.
Kirsten Schwartz July 11, 2012 at 11:43 pm
I am perplexed by the people who say they weren't consulted about the Whole Foods and Senior Center plans. I've been hearing and reading about them for years, and I'm not a frequenter of City Hall. Just a citizen. The meetings have been going on for years, and it's my understanding that they've been open to the public. If I knew about these meetings, why did other people not?
Dover July 12, 2012 at 12:12 am
You're still confused. If I were ignoring your point of view, I wouldn't have responded at all.
See how logic works? Try it sometime. It's fun!
Margaret McKnight July 12, 2012 at 12:34 am
Dover, do you realize when you talk to people like that you simply end good discussion threads? Nobody wants to be part of that and they just drop off; they stop both reading and writing.
Even worse, they don't come back to the Patch very readily. This I know from talking to an array of people and reading other threads (not yours necessarily) and from personal experience. It would be great if we could all support Emilie and reinforce all the love people have been sending her in this thread by keeping the discussion on topic and interesting to a broad array of folks. You do have thoughtful things to say on the issues. It would be great to hear your substantive points.
lindy July 12, 2012 at 12:42 am
I am appreciative of the constructive information in people's comments. I find that when people are 'calling each other out' ..i'm getting ready to leave the thread.
Seems like power struggles, and progress isn't made. I do appreciate that some Albany citizens have been actively following the development for years. Thanks for your community service.
Dover July 12, 2012 at 12:45 am
Interesting. One would imagine that if your friends are strong enough to break the law, trespass, damage property, climb trees, urinate on police, fight legal action, and do back-breaking work in the hot, noonday sun, they are also strong enough to withstand the rigors of reading my posts.
Not to mention that they, and you, can simply ignore my posts. Here's how. My name appears at the top of each one. When you see it, avert your eyes and simply read ahead. I won't be offended, I promise. P.S. Need I mention that I don't take other people's guilt trips? ;-)
Michael Barnes July 12, 2012 at 01:56 am
Come now, Dover. You know your posts are like that last cookie in the cookie jar. I know I should skip it, but I bite anyway.
But Margaret has a point. You know, if you continue to be mean to the occasional goofy ignorant WTFer (err I mean OTFer) that shows up on this blog, they might be driven away quickly by your spite. The horror the horror....
Peggy McQuaid July 12, 2012 at 02:09 am
Earlier comments regarding Tilden Park made me wonder a bit about the history of the East Bay Regional Park District (EBRPD) so I did a little research on it. http://www.ebparks.org/about/history/75/timeline
I have been a Regional Park user all of my life, spending countless hours at the pony rides, merry – go – round, and little train as a child. Now I often take my daughter to the park and often do reflect on how fortunate we are that earlier residents had the foresight to preserve this land. From the earliest days people worked within the system to establish the Regional Park District and to fund land acquisition, its management, and maintenance. East Bay residents showed their strong support of these efforts by approving various tax measures, most recently Measure WW. Parks are open and accessible to all and serve a variety of purposes. This model has resulted in one of the premier regional park district in the nation.
Kirsten Schwartz July 12, 2012 at 02:17 am
Actually, Margaret, I read The Patch looking for Dover posts. She's a fantastic reader and spotter of discrepancies, and a writer at the level of Mark Twain. At least. (Sorry, Dover, if he's not your favorite, but he came to mind: I meant it as a compliment.) And she's right, you know, despite Michael's "Come on": all you have to do is Not Read Her Posts. It takes some discipline, but it is possible.
Go, Dover!
Michael Barnes July 12, 2012 at 03:06 am
Hey, Kirsten,
Agreed. But how do you know Dover is a her? Funny, I think of her as a her, but she could be I guy, I guess. Actually, I have no idea.
Robert Marshall July 12, 2012 at 03:34 am
Quite some time ago, there was talk at one point of putting some antennas inside the tower structure. But, that never really went anywhere.
Robert Marshall July 12, 2012 at 03:43 am
You might equally ask how all the students and 20-somethings that frequent the Oakland Whole Foods do it? Not sure, but the DO. And the same goes for Berkeley Bowl, which built a 35,000 square foot store just north of Ashby Avenue.
I have to wonder how many of the people that continue to say how overpriced Whole Foods is have actually spent much time in one. Do the have expensive items things? Absolutely. But, they also have a house brand "365" which is priced in comparison with Safeway and Lucky.
BevvyBrig July 12, 2012 at 03:55 am
So much of the pro-"development" comments here are, sadly, made by people who fervently believe in the illusion of separateness. The lines on a map which some here take as a God-given truth- are *pretend*. We are all connected. Everyone's voice counts, how could it conceivably be otherwise?
Robert Marshall July 12, 2012 at 04:09 am
In case people weren't aware, the East Bay Regional Park District is the LARGEST urban regional park district in the United States!
Francesco Papalia July 12, 2012 at 12:55 pm
While I disagree with Margaret McKnight and her husband Ulan on most issues around this project, I have always been able to talk face to face with Ulan in a respectful and passionate way. This includes an early morning on the corner of Marin & San Pablo Aves with helicopters buzzing above us while the UC Police were arresting the OTFers. When Dover enters into the debate on Patch and refers to Margaret’s husband and occupation, Dover violates and essential element in a fair debate. By failing to fully identify herself she exploits an unfair advantage she has with her anonymity. You even opine,” One has to wonder if this is ever an issue at the dinner table”. Inserting yourself virtually inside their home, you fail to offer a reciprocal opportunity to Margaret and Ulan. I believe this creates a chilling effect on others who will either refrain from the discussion or feel compelled to hide or obscure their identity if for no other reason to protect their family from anonymous taunts.
Francesco Papalia July 12, 2012 at 12:57 pm
(Apologies for the double post) People talk, write and act differently when they use their real full name and identity in the public setting. (Note the OTFers who wear masks during their protest) Their facts are better researched and their opinions and personal references are tempered by their personal public exposure. Using your full name will usually help to identify in which city you live. This discussion, both online and at public meetings, has sometimes been inundated with non Albanians. I crave to hear new opinions and perspectives from my Albany neighbors who will stand behind their words with their real full names. It is time for prolific posters like Tatter Salad and Dover to come out of the blog closet. I would value your ideas if you did. Otherwise your writing lacks the intrinsic integrity that comes with full disclosure of your identity. Yes, it will make you more vulnerable. But I, for one, will listen and consider what you have to say with sincere interest and respect. And that might make me a better person. Isn’t that what we all want in the end? Isn’t that what we all deserve?
Michael Barnes July 12, 2012 at 03:39 pm
Francesco,
I agree for the most part, and it never occurred to me not to use my real name when I signed up. But I know of some serious commentators who do use pseudonyms. They might, for example, happen to have the last name of a local public official, and they don't want to spend time fending off the the misconceptions that would create. I think the reality is that we are not going to change this, so I've accepted that we have a two-tiered system. Serious people use their real names. Seats in the virtual peanut gallery are reserved for those who use pseudonyms.
Dover July 12, 2012 at 03:53 pm
Ulan does know who I am as we have children at the same school and have spoken many times. I admit that I haven't patted him on the back for his involvement in illegal activities so I likely do not stand out in his mind as favorably as those who regard his anti-social behavior in a more kindly light. I can live with that.
If Ulan and Margaret viewed their home as sacrosanct, they would not hold publicly announced OTF meetings in their home nor invite complete strangers to their home. Nor would they have used their family situation to argue against the installation of padding in the Tot Lot that has enabled disabled children to also use the facility. (I still have the printed materials.) It's rather presumptuous of you to assume that I express myself any differently here than I do elsewhere. Not the case at all. My opinions do not change based on location or format. Do yours? If you are unable to derive any benefit from reading my posts simply because you have not met me yet, I invite you to pass them by. I won't hold it against you. I am not here to seek your respect and you are not obliged to value my ideas. If being a better person is dependent on the actions of others, well, let's just say you have some issues that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. The OTFers who wear masks during their "protests" hide their faces because they are breaking the law. I am not. Please refrain from lumping me into the law breaking category. Thank you!
Margaret McKnight July 12, 2012 at 05:01 pm
Dover, while we may indeed have met you in person, you have never identified yourself to us as 'Dover' and so we don't actually know who you are. We would welcome clarification.
Holding a public meeting at our house means the public is invited at that time for that purpose. That is all it means. Do you use the Tot Lot at Dartmouth? While they city has technically complied with ADA they have yet to fix the actual problem that prevents handicap access; this oversight happened in part because they never allowed park users to have a voice. Furthermore, park usage is visibly way down since the renovation. I'm disappointed in both the process and the outcome, and I stated both in public letters posted on the city website. No need for you to physically stockpile the evidence. Francesco, thank you for your very well stated commentary. On this, we agree completely. Over and out.
Emilie Raguso July 12, 2012 at 09:29 pm
See political cartoonist Jim Beller's take on "win-win-win-win" solution for the University of California development project here -- http://patch.com/B-cdvP

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